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Material Issues to Work Orders Disappearing
08/24/06 at 03:46:41
 
We are experiencing a suddenly new problem wherein materials previously issued to Work Orders are "disappearing".  Example - all the materials and associated costs are in a given Work Order and all are correct. Then, without warning, about half the materials suddenly show 0% issued and no cost for that particular item. The costs also leave the WIP reports. However, on JC-A Job Cost, the total material costs at the bottom of the report are still correct. In other words, the 'actual' cost column does not add up to the total shown at the bottom.
Checking the inventory files (such as IN-A), the "disappeared" materials do not show up in on-hand, but are also no longer in WIP. They are simply gone. The materials also do not show any additional or new movement when looking at transactions in IN-E.  
We are unable to reproduce this,  and it does not happen on every job, but it's happened 4 times in the last month. We don't know what's causing it, nor where the materials and $$ go.
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Re: Material Issues to Work Orders Disappearing
Reply #1 - 08/24/06 at 04:54:50
 
I believe we are experiencing something of the same problem.  Materials will be issued to a work order and show up in the inventory item transaction listing but do not appear as being issued to the work order.  It appears to be happening as part of the "backflush" process for issueing materials.  Have not found any other common link to the problem.  We find this about once or twice a month.
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Reply #2 - 08/24/06 at 07:17:12
 
Have you guys looked at WO-O to see if the materials are in the temp file because of a record lock? Just a thought.
 
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Reply #3 - 08/25/06 at 03:59:10
 
We don't use backflush to issue materials & I just checked WO-O, nothing there for the suspect jobs.  
 
The frustrating part is that we can't reproduce it. We've tried (using our test company) every step that we do during a job, and can't make it happen. Thus far, it appears to be completely random.
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Reply #4 - 08/25/06 at 12:13:08
 
What version?  If you rebuild the WO, do they come back?  Are the issues listed in JC-E?
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Reply #5 - 08/25/06 at 12:58:14
 
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ok - rebuilding the Work Order fixed the material issues, at least on the one job I tried it on! Thanks!
 
What made them go away to begin with??
 
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Reply #6 - 08/31/06 at 15:18:38
 
Lynn,
This is the same problem I am having. I posted a forum on 7/31/2006 WO-A OR DC-I NOT SHOWING ALL ISSUES
I guess I did not explain myself very clear.  Issues only start disappearing after I installed the IS Tech Updates.
Issues do show in JC-E and in inventory transactions. But does not show up in work orders. Does not happen to all work orders. Does not happen to all components.
Does not fix if I run BKREBWO in UT-A or if I answer yes in WO-A to Do you want the Estimated costs recalculated?  
I hope you can help. At each month end I need to issue a report by customer to management advising dollar value of material  in  WIP (work orders). I generate a report in Access using the data from WOBOM and WORKORD, but since all the issues aren't there. I have to go back and check material issues and inventory transactions for each work order ...which is causing a one hour job to take many, many hours.
 
Version we are using is DBA Classic, Version 2004.1 with IS Tech Support Update 05/08/2006
 
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Your help is greatly appreciated.
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Reply #7 - 12/15/06 at 08:36:15
 
I am having the exact same problem with inventory transactions not included in work order bill of materials issuance.  
 
Could this be an indexing problem?  Do you think re-indexing DBA files will help ? Or maybe the problem is releated to the size of particular files, and purging may be the answer ?
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Reply #8 - 12/15/06 at 08:44:46
 
If the JC-E shows the issues and rebuilding the work order fixes it, then I don't think it is indexing or file size, although archiving old work orders then and reindexing the files can't hurt and will speed up day to day processing and reporting.
 
The problem with sporadic errors like this is trying to find the common thread.  It doesn't "just happen" even though it may seem like it.  If the original issue did in fact post properly and the % issue and JC reporting was at one time correct, then the key is to identify what was subsequently done to these work orders that was not done to others.  Issue additional material?  Finished Production?  Scrap Reporting?  Lot or Serial Control?  Multiple Locations?  Bin COntrol?  SOMETHING is different.
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Reply #9 - 12/18/06 at 07:51:04
 
Lynn
 
In our normal routine, there are only a couple of things that would occur from the time all the material issues appear correct, to the next time that they do not:  
 
1) Posting Labor through WO-F;
2) Issuing materials through WO-G;
3) Issuing materials via line-item dedication, by receiving PO's through PO-C;
4) Our nightly backup of our entire server.
 
We've attempted, using our test company, to duplicate the problem, trying a variety of combinations of the above. Thus far, we've not found any repeatability. As a matter of fact, we can't make it happen.
 
If we come up with any other observations, we'll post them.
 
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Reply #10 - 01/05/07 at 07:32:07
 
We just discovered this same issue on only one of our work orders.  We did three different issues to the work order on different days. The first date we issued material is showing on the Material in WIP report. However the other issue dates are not showing on the report. A Work Order Pick List was ran on 1-2-07 and it showed all the material issued to the WO.
 When we ran the WO Pick List report yesterday afternoon, it is showing only the items issued from the first date, but IN-A has the correct on hand quantities and the issues show in Transactions.
There is nothing in WO-O and JC-E shows only the items issued on the first date, the second & third issues are not there, so JC-E is showing the same thing the Material in WIP Report is.  
 The only thing that we know that we have done to the system was the year end and begin 2007. Maybe there is a common link between the processes that can be looked at.  
 
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Reply #11 - 01/05/07 at 08:17:33
 
Rebuilding the WO did fix the problem. Does anyone have any suggestions or procedures being done to  
know when this happens again?  
 One any given day we cut at least 25 to 30 work orders, so rebuilding Work Orders on a daily basis seems a bit much until the culprit is found.  
Also it maybe helpful to know that none of what happened affected the GL. It's only not being seen in the reports, so maybe it may be a report issue.  
 
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Reply #12 - 01/16/07 at 12:31:10
 
Hi,
 
We are having the same problem now. We are on DBA 2004.1 ISTECH Update 10-31-06. I issue the material see it in the transactions but a while after it just disappears and the UOH does not change. Any fix was made to this error..
 
HELP please,.. I cant even think of checking other WO.. its going to mess all our inventory and WIP.
 
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Reply #13 - 02/26/07 at 15:38:40
 
We recently "rebuilt" our company in DBA. I cleared out all old wo, ran SM-J-A and ran SM-JC then we ran a physical inventory.  In just 3 weeks after the first of the year we began to see the same problem with material issued through WO-G or received through PO-C "disappearing" from the work order and/or the inventory transactions.  I have reports that prove it was issued and my on-hand and job costs are correct - but the transaction is gone.  I've looked in the record file through maintain database but have been unsuccessful in finding the missing transaction.
We experienced this problem with DBA prior to our "rebuild" I had chalked it up to the database being too big and I had sincerely hoped this would have fixed the problem.  I have spent 2 years chasing this sporatic problem, I truly need the tracability of my material issues.  Please let me know if this is being addressed in any future update. Shocked
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Reply #14 - 02/26/07 at 19:43:21
 
We have been experiencing this problem for some time now (my original post dates back to August), with no change. It seems to happen randomly, and we have not been able to find a connection to anything that we do. We can't make it happen either. 15 or 20 Work Orders will go through just fine, then one or two will hiccup. When we notice it happens, we just routinely rebuild work order costs under WO-K-H
We just installed all the updates, up to and including 2/14. Since we just did this over the weekend, I don't know if this problem is fixed or not now. I'll keep you posted.
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