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Re: Source code?
Reply #15 - 09/29/06 at 10:05:27
 
Nothing to see here, Move along, Keep it moving...........
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Re: Source code?
Reply #16 - 09/29/06 at 11:00:05
 
I apologize if this topic has seemed like flamebait. I truly do feel the way I have indicated in this topic and I do believe that it's on-topic to discuss this in the EvoERP forum. After all, is this not about EvoERP? However, as it's obvious that I am totally alone in my viewpoint, I will drop the topic here. Sorry all if my opinion has caused a rift in spacetime.
 
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Reply #17 - 09/29/06 at 12:29:28
 
Since when did this become a IS TECH trashing forum?
 
 ??? ???   Let's move on.
 
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Re: Source code?
Reply #18 - 09/29/06 at 14:25:21
 
I've been watching this( as I use last 10 to keep up) and I'm tired of seeing this!???
 
Lets be demacratic about this issue and vote on banning kkmfg for life!Angry
 
As for me it's EVO all the way!  8)
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Reply #19 - 09/29/06 at 16:56:39
 
Ok, this attitude out of people on this board is not called for. I was voicing an honest concern and all anyone can do is jump down my throat. Thinking I should be banned for daring to question a company's decision? The gall I must have had thinking I could try to actually voice my concerns! This isn't second grade. I think that maybe, as adults, we can have a civil conversation. All I've ever asked is that if you do not agree with me then you try to give your side of the story in an articulate manner. So far there hasn't been a whole lot of articulation but there has been a great deal of knee jerk reactions.
 
It's actually a good thing and a testament to ISTech that everyone here is so supportive of ISTech (even though I think that support may be a bit myoptic or blind). It's quite obvious that they have a great thing going and really do know how to please their customers (well, most of them). I do plan to have my company upgrade to Evo but I'm still disappointed at the no source stance. Make no mistake, my disappointment is not scheduled to stand in the way of my adoption of EvoERP.
 
I will not apologize for voicing my true opinion or defending it here. Just because this board is hosted by ISTech does not mean that it is improper to voice concerns about them on the board. Go to any other company's message forum or newsgroup and see if everyone is in support of the company. I think that in reality I've been fairly low key. If you think my posts have been flame worthy you should try other forums and usenet some time. This is a birthday candle. Wink Trust me, this topic has been far, far under my capability for flaming.
 
Please, if you are tired of seeing this then quit reading. There is nobody forcing you with a gun to your head. If you don't like the topic don't partake. It's really quite simple. I never forced anybody to reply. I'm thankful that some people almost decided to answer my concerns but I wasn't forcing anyone into the discussion.
 
BTW, it's Evo all the way for me too. As I've said many times so far in this thread, I like EvoERP. I like it a lot more than DBA. That's what makes me so mad. I can either choose to keep just DBA and be able to write mods or I can go with EvoERP and be locked out. I'm not overly happy at those options but given the choice I will most certainly choose EvoERP.
 
And, also like I said, I'm not trying to argue this anymore. I give up. I wanted to end the topic and yet people still keep posting things about how I shouldn't question 'The Company'. Wink Questioning is what makes the world go round. Just think of where the world would be if nobody questioned anything.
 
And just to be clear, I really am sorry for all of this trouble. I never meant to start a war I just wanted to know why they did what they did. But it's gotten way out of hand.
 
Quote from timgolds   on 09/29/06 at 14:25:21:
I've been watching this( as I use last 10 to keep up) and I'm tired of seeing this!???

Lets be demacratic about this issue and vote on banning kkmfg for life!Angry

As for me it's EVO all the way!  8)

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Re: Source code?
Reply #20 - 09/29/06 at 18:10:31
 
I have stayed out of this so far, intentionally because I did not want to get caught up in what was about as close as this (relatively) tame and benign forum gets to a flame war (and NO, this is NOT a challenge to change that), but also because I was tied up at the User Symposium.
 
We at IS Tech appreciate the posts defending our position  but also recognize the validity of the original question and more importantly the "opposing point of view".  Without challenges and questions, we don't progress.
 
That said, I would like to say a couple of things that may help clarify our source code position and put this issue to bed.
 
1.  Allen is correct, we do not provide source code for IS Tech updates.
2.  DBA is not truly "Open Source" either because the license limits the use of the source code that is provided to licensed DBA users.  Nobody can (legally) take the DBA Source Code, a TAS compiler, and generate programs for use by anybody who is not already a current DBA licensed customer.  DBA has not always provided Source Code - it was a policy change in about 1998 or 1999 as I recall.  That said, the ability for a user such as KKMFG to make their own changes holds some value.
3.  IS Tech is the exception to #2 because we paid DBA for licensing rights allowing us to offer a product (Evo-ERP) based on the DBA Source to non-DBA customers as a new system.
4.  The mods to DBA Classic that we have done over the past 4+ years  (supported by our customer base) could, if the source code were released, be used by all the rest of the DBA Classic customer base in the Classic environment so there is in fact a real "inherent danger of work being stolen".
5.  If you have the TAS compiler and have modified a program and need to know how our programs work, we can provide assistance in the way of file mapping (since we have created new tables), "hook" programs called by our programs that you can connect to for post-processing, and business logic portions of the source code on an as-requested basis.
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Reply #21 - 09/29/06 at 18:27:37
 
Thanks Lynn. I apologize that my posts were probably a bit too much on the flame side. I tried not to be too flameworthy but I know I didn't quite succeed. Your answer was indeed what I needed to hear and really did clear things up. I appeciate you taking the time to answer my questions. Your post really did clear things up for me and made me see that you do indeed have good reasons for your company's position.
 
Your reason #4 was something I had not thought of. I suppose it does make sense that people could back port your changes to DBA classic and steal things. I do understand now.  
 
All in all, thanks for setting the record straight.
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Reply #22 - 09/30/06 at 06:17:31
 
it's also a position that you should have articulated in the first place instead of claiming that istechsupport was being greedy, and the other false claims you made as well.
 
you could have just asked, politely, about other avenues were available, so that all the custom programs you wrote for your company could somehow be integrated with the version that Istechsupport has developed.
 
an ounce of sugar goes farther than a pound of salt.
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Reply #23 - 09/30/06 at 07:16:36
 
You know... I had a big post here and now I'm changing it. I know that I am guilty of the pound of salt rather than ounce of sugar and so I'll cut myself off here and just say that this topic has been discussed to it's conclusion and I'll try to be nicer in the future.
 
Quote from dameng   on 09/30/06 at 06:17:31:
it's also a position that you should have articulated in the first place instead of claiming that istechsupport was being greedy, and the other false claims you made as well.

you could have just asked, politely, about other avenues were available, so that all the custom programs you wrote for your company could somehow be integrated with the version that Istechsupport has developed.

an ounce of sugar goes farther than a pound of salt.

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