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Standard Balance Sheet is not balanced
03/15/11 at 06:22:19
 
Ok, I didn't notice because I assume it's an impossibility, but of course my accountant did.
 
Total Assets does not equal Total Liabilities plus Retained Earnings.
 
I have gone back and printed previous years Balance Sheets and they do not add up either!
 
However, Trial Balance is in balance, so it seems it's a problem with the report. We are on IS Tech update 7/5/10, "Build 02/22/10". I tried installing SP1 hoping that there would be a fix for it, but that was not successful (I have a thread about that in the Installation section).
 
There are three accounts that are not in balance - one asset (our checking account) and two liabilities (a Line of Credit and a holding account on a Credit Card used for purchases). All three are on the balance sheet but the totals do no agree with the Trial Balance.
 
Again, this is using the standard report in GL-F.
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Re: Standard Balance Sheet is not balanced
Reply #1 - 03/15/11 at 14:31:41
 
I use custom financial statments, not the standard ones, but believe you have to setup the standard ones too, in AM-E. Have you checked here to make sure you have the GL account ranges correct for your Asset, Liability, and Owner's Equity accounts?
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Reply #2 - 03/16/11 at 04:34:01
 
I have double checked the setup, and it is fine. I have been using DBA for over 10 years and never had this problem before. Now if I go back and re-print a balance sheet which was in balance before, it is not in balance now.
 
That fact plus this one makes it obvious to me that there is a problem with the report:
 
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All three are on the balance sheet but the totals do not agree with the Trial Balance.

 
i.e. my "Amex not billed" account shows 6,610.36 on the balance sheet, but 16,322.47 on the trial balance...
 
Lastly, the difference between the amounts on the Balance Sheet and Trial Balance on the three accounts I mentioned adds up to the difference between the Total Liabilities and Total Liab/Own Eq on the Balance sheet.
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Re: Standard Balance Sheet is not balanced
Reply #3 - 03/16/11 at 05:27:02
 
Curiouser and Curiouser.
 
Looking back a couple years there is some consistency and some inconsistency.
 
In 2009, two of the accounts are off by exactly the same amount as in 2010, but the third one (cash account) is off by a different amount.
 
In 2008, only the cash account is off, the other two agree. The cash account is off by differing amounts every year.
 
2008 +33,318.07 on balance sheet
2009 +5,292.34 on balance sheet
2010 +23,453.74 on balance sheet
 
One other thing that seems inconsistent is that in the two years the two additional accounts were off (by the same amounts both times), one was over and one was under.
 
I think this is unrelated, but should probably mention it:
The cash account has two listings when you do a lookup:
11100 - (no dept) - [Bank acct nbr] - CB Checking
11100 - (no dept) - [Bank acct nbr] - Peoples Bank
 
Our bank changed from Chittenden to Peoples, so I changed the description in AM-C. No matter which one you select, the description displayed is always the old one - CB Checking.
 
When I first discovered this I thought that was part of the answer, as the Line of Credit is one of the other ones that's off, and we changed the description of that one as well. However, there is only one listing in the lookup for that, and the description in the reports is correct. Also, I don't believe I changed the description of the Amex not Billed account.
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Re: Standard Balance Sheet is not balanced
Reply #4 - 03/16/11 at 10:47:45
 
You mention trial balance, but I don't think trial balance is one of the standard financial statements. Therefore I'm assuming you set up the trial balance report in AM-F (Format Custom Financial Statements)?
 
If so, have you compared the GL account ranges for standard balance sheet report, the to GL account ranges for the custom Trial Balance report. When you compare the two, are the ranges similar, or is one range wider than another, perhaps causing the Trial Balance report to pick up extra accounts somewhere, which may or may not be used anymore.
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Reply #5 - 03/16/11 at 11:40:36
 
Trial balance is not a Financial Statement, per se. It's a separate report under GL-E. I do all transactions for all dates of the year for my accountant. This year it was over 2000 pages, but it has ending balances for every account. That is what does not agree with the balance sheet.
 
The fact is, the balance sheet amount for a specific account on a specific date does not agree with the trial balance for the same account on the same date.
 
I think if you go to GL-E you will see how it works and why it should agree with the balance sheet (you do need to show Ending Balance, and make sure the ending date is the same as the balance sheet).
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Reply #6 - 03/16/11 at 12:31:18
 
Ok I see, so you are comparing GL-E detail trial balance to your balance sheet.
 
I checked a few of mine, they all balanced. It looks like there are different options for GL-E, such as posting date, entry date, etc. which may cause some differences. (I used the "post date" field, left "Entry date" blank) I also notice that you can run out a detail trial balance report as of a particular DAY, whereas balance sheet would only go to end of month/period. Obviously these two date ranges would need to match up if you expect them to balance.
 
Maybe you have a reason for sending your accountant your entire detailed trial balance for every account, but I'm wondering why you wouldn't just send your balance sheet and income statement, then supporting detail trial balance for ONLY the accounts where that detail is necessary. Might save you and your accountant a lot of work.
 
A few years ago, I was putting together a cash flow statement for the previous year for planning purposes. I remember having the same type of problem where a cash account detail trial balance was not agreeing with the balance sheet account for certain periods. Unfortunately I can't remember how I solved that problem, but will post here if I do. It sounds like your problem accounts are all cash related.
 
One more thing, that cash account 11100 with two listings doesn't sound right. I have changed account descriptions before, and never had two show up in the lookups. It sounds like maybe the two should be merged, or maybe one deleted, but I'm not sure about that. When we changed banks, DBA AD-B wouldn't let me delete the old bank account, but EVO would.
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Reply #7 - 03/16/11 at 12:53:28
 
Quote from edbrown on 03/16/11 at 12:31:18:
It looks like there are different options for GL-E, such as posting date, entry date, etc. which may cause some differences.

 
Yes, I used the "post date" field and 12/31/[year] to compare to the balance sheet.
 
Quote from edbrown on 03/16/11 at 12:31:18:
Maybe you have a reason for sending your accountant your entire detailed trial balance for every account, but I'm wondering why you wouldn't just send your balance sheet and income statement, then supporting detail trial balance for ONLY the accounts where that detail is necessary. Might save you and your accountant a lot of work.

 
We have state subsidized loans that require auditing of our books, so I assume that's why they want it.
 
Quote from edbrown on 03/16/11 at 12:31:18:
One more thing, that cash account 11100 with two listings doesn't sound right. I have changed account descriptions before, and never had two show up in the lookups.

 
Agreed! I've never seen it either. All together I changed the descriptions of 6 different accounts because of the bank name change and all the rest are fine.
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Reply #8 - 03/16/11 at 13:30:25
 
I reread some of your comments from the beginning and just want to add this....
 
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Total Assets does not equal Total Liabilities plus Retained Earnings.

 
It's not necessarily suppose to, as Assets = Liabilities + Owner's Equity. Owner's Equity consists of Retained Earnings, Current Earnings (Income less expenses), and possibly other things like Dividends paid, common stock, etc., depending on how your chart of accounts is setup. Just want to make sure you aren't comparing to the Retained Earnings account only.
 
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Lastly, the difference between the amounts on the Balance Sheet and Trial Balance on the three accounts I mentioned adds up to the difference between the Total Liabilities and Total Liab/Own Eq on the Balance sheet.

 
This also makes me think another owner's equity account may be left out of your calcuation.
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Reply #9 - 03/16/11 at 13:33:39
 
Quote from edbrown on 03/16/11 at 13:30:25:
I reread some of your comments from the beginning and just want to add this....

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Total Assets does not equal Total Liabilities plus Retained Earnings.


It's not necessarily suppose to, as Assets = Liabilities + Owner's Equity. Owner's Equity consists of Retained Earnings, Current Earnings (Income less expenses), and possibly other things like Dividends paid, common stock, etc., depending on how your chart of accounts is setup. Just want to make sure you aren't comparing to the Retained Earnings account only.

I mis-typed (I think I corrected it in a later post). It should have said "Total Assets does not equal Total Liabilities & Owner's Equity".

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Lastly, the difference between the amounts on the Balance Sheet and Trial Balance on the three accounts I mentioned adds up to the difference between the Total Liabilities and Total Liab/Own Eq on the Balance sheet.


This also makes me think another owner's equity account may be left out of your calcuation.

 
See above...
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Reply #10 - 03/16/11 at 18:06:37
 
If the trial balance is in balance and some accounts on the Balance Sheet have different balances than shown in GL-E, then use UT-K-D and run it for all accounts to correct it.  It will recalculate the Chart of Accounts file based on the transaction file.
 
If you have a duplicate entry for one account, you may have to use Maintain Database on BKGLCOA and ISGLCOA to delete it before you run UT-K-D.
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Reply #11 - 03/17/11 at 09:38:51
 
Fixed! Thanks!!
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Re: Standard Balance Sheet is not balanced
Reply #12 - 03/24/11 at 13:29:41
 
This has to be related.
 
The Trial Balance and Balance Sheet now agree, but it seems they are both wrong on our Line of Credit (LoC) account.
 
Of course I am always checking that the bank's version of what we owe agrees with mine on a frequent basis using their online banking. However, when I went to make a cash advance today I noticed that the amount they say we owe and what DBA say is off by $15,000. My first thought is that I missed an entry somewhere, but all advances and payments check out back to July of last year. Further, I do a formal reconciliation at the end of the year to accrue interest payable and adjust principle balances on term loans, and the amount I recorded for the LoC says it was in agreement with the bank, HOWEVER IT IS NOW $15,000 OFF FROM THE BALANCE SHEET AS OF 12/31/10!!! Ditto if I go back to 2009.
 
By searching my BKGLTRANS and BKGLCHK files I think I may have found the root of the problem, but am not sure:
  • How it could have happened in the first place,
  • Why it has not showed up until now, and certainly not
  • What to do about it...

On 1/18/07 there is both a debit and credit in the BKGLTRAN for the LoC for $15,000, type GJ.
However, in the BKGLCHK there is only only a debit.
 
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Re: Standard Balance Sheet is not balanced
Reply #13 - 03/24/11 at 17:44:28
 
Type GJ will not post to the BKGLCHK at all so there must be CR or CD entry on the same date.
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