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Reply #15 - 07/31/15 at 10:23:52
 
The Wiki Page doesn't mention Crossover. Is it still necessary?
 
https://evoerp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Evo/DBA_Shipping_information_to_UPS_%26_ pass_freight_%26_Tracking_number_back
 
It's dated 9/17/14.
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Reply #16 - 09/04/15 at 04:16:49
 
So I just tried setting up the Tracking Number Export from UPS. I don't think it's working properly, as it's adding a new record to BKARINV rather than updating the field. The new record is just the SONUM and TRACK fields.
 
I didn't actually test the report to see if it worked, because it just doesn't seem right. Further to the point, if I we were also exporting the Freight cost, it would also be putting it in the new record, and the original "real" one would still be 0.
 
How do you get the UPS system to overwrite the data rather than create a new record?
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Reply #17 - 10/26/15 at 10:53:10
 
How do you get the UPS system to overwrite the data rather than create a new record?
 
I don't think there is any way without Crossware. Without Crossware it will always create a new record. Still a major limitation of Worldship.
 
I have it working with Crossware. If you are interested in pursuing that route, let me know and I can give you more detail.
 
This is another level to your workaround, but there should be no need to export the entire ISSHOBOX box table and search through it. You can connect directly to the table with Excel and make a query to extract the data you want. I can't tell you how to do that, but I know it can be done. I, personally, would use Crystal Reports. You could even get your CS crew Datalink Viewer, which is a low cost application that can update parameters, refresh and read CR files.
 
On another topic, I did eventually get this working. I can pull everything directly into Excel now. Just took some playing around.
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Reply #18 - 10/26/15 at 13:39:13
 
Email sent.
 
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Reply #19 - 02/25/16 at 07:28:05
 
I talked to my UPS rep and she said Crossware is overkill and too expensive for how little I want to do with it.
 
Somewhere I heard about OzLink. In addition to a free utility they offer for getting prices from various carriers, they also have some integration tools.
 
However, I just got a quote from them and they want $2000 plus $100/mo for life. I do have a "technology allowance" from UPS that will cover about half the up-front cost, but I'm not spending $100/mo for life.
 
There's got to be a better way. How expensive is Crossware?
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Reply #20 - 02/25/16 at 16:03:39
 
Our Java programmer was looking on the UPS web site and says there is an API to the UPS data through their website that bypasses Worldship, Crossware and all that and we could potentially write something where you could access your UPS account (obviously you would need to log in using the appropriate credentials, etc.) and process something through our own app.   If there is interest we can pursue further.  Your "Technology Allowance" would probably more than cover the development, then $0 per month ongoing, how does that sound?
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Reply #21 - 02/26/16 at 05:12:22
 
I'm definitely interested, pending more info as to how it works.
 
I'm not sure if our UPS subsidy would cover it - it's for "UPS approved vendors". But we may be able to get a waiver. Our rep is also looking into some other options; not sure what those are at this point.
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Reply #22 - 02/26/16 at 09:53:41
 
Quote from David Waldmann on 02/25/16 at 07:28:05:
I talked to my UPS rep and she said Crossware is overkill and too expensive for how little I want to do with it.

Somewhere I heard about OzLink. In addition to a free utility they offer for getting prices from various carriers, they also have some integration tools.

However, I just got a quote from them and they want $2000 plus $100/mo for life. I do have a "technology allowance" from UPS that will cover about half the up-front cost, but I'm not spending $100/mo for life.

There's got to be a better way. How expensive is Crossware?

 
Not sure what your rep is talking about as far as "too expensive". I didn't pay anything for Crossware or the scripting.
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Reply #23 - 02/26/16 at 10:11:49
 
Crossware and the programming didn't cost anything for us either.
 
Its a blessing to have it not only export the tracking, but import the ship to from the sales orders.  
 
WE have it setup to import ship to info from the Sales orders or the Quotes.  We offer a testing service where the customer sends their parts to us for evaluation and we process and return.
 
Saves sooooo much time and now we only can blame one person for the mistake if the shipping address is not correct.
 
One thing that we did learn was after the import in Worldship the shipper could accidentally scroll the mouse wheel and selected a different address from the Worldship Address book.  
 
Easy fix.  "clip the red wire" on the mouse scroll wheel and disable it.
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Reply #24 - 02/26/16 at 11:48:39
 
Quote from btaylor on 02/26/16 at 09:53:41:
Not sure what your rep is talking about as far as "too expensive". I didn't pay anything for Crossware or the scripting.

 
Quote from BurrKing_Mfg on 02/26/16 at 10:11:49:
Crossware and the programming didn't cost anything for us either.

 
Good to know. I'll bring that up with them, The only thing I can think of is that because of volume you had more money available and it covered it. We spend less than $50k per year on UPS.
 
Quote from BurrKing_Mfg on 02/26/16 at 10:11:49:
Its a blessing to have it not only export the tracking, but import the ship to from the sales orders.

WE have it setup to import ship to info from the Sales orders or the Quotes.  We offer a testing service where the customer sends their parts to us for evaluation and we process and return.

Saves sooooo much time and now we only can blame one person for the mistake if the shipping address is not correct.

One thing that we did learn was after the import in Worldship the shipper could accidentally scroll the mouse wheel and selected a different address from the Worldship Address book.

Easy fix.  "clip the red wire" on the mouse scroll wheel and disable it.

 
We currently use the native UPS Worldship Import mapping to enter the SO # and get the address in.  
 
We don't have a problem with scrolling to select another customer because we set up a Custom Tab Order. It starts at the Package Size, then goes to weight. Nothing else on the first page, as that takes care of 99.9% of shipments. Before we started importing we had the tab order start at the Customer ID field, then go to Package Size and Weight.
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Reply #25 - 02/26/16 at 12:11:53
 
I just talked to someone at a higher level at UPS. They told me that for the simple thing I need done, Crossware would only cost about $2500. We could apply our technology allowance towards it, and pay for the rest through our package pricing. I took that to mean that they would take away part of our discount until it was paid off...
 
They also said that it may be possible to write the data to another (new) table that Evo wouldn't know anything about, and have some kind of automated script update the existing Evo table. Is that something Pervasive can do? If so, does that seem feasible, and further, how would I get it done? I might be willing to pay a guru if I even knew where to look. Actually, I think I will ask my daughter. She's somewhat familiar with Pervasive (she worked here for a few years) and is pretty database savvy.
 
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Reply #26 - 02/26/16 at 12:41:33
 
Nah, what you spend annually shouldn't matter. Definitely push your rep on this. I'm not entirely sure your rep fully knows what Crossware is, especially based on their "overkill" comment.  
 
It is just some middleware with custom scripting so it can be as simple or complex as need be. The guy that did the tracking number script for me was actually assigned to it because he only had two weeks left in the Crossware division before moving on to a different team at UPS. His boss just had him working on small, easy jobs at that point. He banged out the script for me in a couple of hours.
 
I'm also bringing orders in natively in Worldship, no Crossware. Just a keyed import from our DBA/Evo SO#. I set the Worldship mapping on that one up myself as it was pretty straightforward.
 
We just put in a new Worldship station a couple of weeks ago and our rep is setting up a time with someone from Crossware because we have to copy it over to the new station. When he is in here next time I will double-check with him but as far as I know, there should be no way that you should have to pay anything. I'll let you know what he says about it after I talk to him.
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Reply #27 - 02/26/16 at 12:47:43
 
Quote from btaylor on 02/26/16 at 12:41:33:
I'm also bringing orders in natively in Worldship, no Crossware. Just a keyed import from our DBA/Evo SO#. I set the Worldship mapping on that one up myself as it was pretty straightforward.

 
Yes, that is what we're doing currently. I did have "help" from a tech (remotely), but I did most of the work...
 
Quote from btaylor on 02/26/16 at 12:41:33:
We just put in a new Worldship station a couple of weeks ago and our rep is setting up a time with someone from Crossware because we have to copy it over to the new station. When he is in here next time I will double-check with him but as far as I know, there should be no way that you should have to pay anything. I'll let you know what he says about it after I talk to him.

 
Thanks - I appreciate it.
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Reply #28 - 03/02/16 at 12:26:31
 
So I called my UPS rep yesterday evening to ask about Crossware. He told me that in the past they might charge for Crossware if the procedure(s) being implemented were really complex but generally didn't charge in the past for relatively simple stuff. However, this has changed recently as they found out that their main competitor (obvious but I won't name) was charging for implementation of these types of things so they are now as well.
 
That being said I questioned him about the $2500 given the fact that I went through it and saw how quickly the script was put together. He agreed that the price seemed awfully high for just that and was guessing that maybe the rep was ballparking it without fully understanding the relative simplicity. Even more simple in that I have already had this done and like I said in a previous post they save all the scripts so outside of a couple of tweaks that may need to be made for your system the heavy-lifting is already done.
 
In a nutshell yeah I guess they charge for more and more now but there is no way, in both my opinion and the opinion of my rep, that the price tag should be that high (or even close to that high).
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Reply #29 - 03/02/16 at 13:24:51
 
I just met with my rep this afternoon and conferenced in the "Product Specialist" or something. The PS estimated $3-5k(!) but said that a Crossware tech will do an "analysis" and give me a firm price...
 
They confirmed that we can pay for it by reducing our discount, which they try to make sound like it's "free", but it's not any different than an interest free loan IMO.
 
I talked to my daughter about the idea of an extra table in Pervasive that would update to BKARINV and she thought it should be possible, as in - that would be a typical database functionality. But I don't see doing it myself, and how much time am I going to spend trying to find someone, plus pay them $100-200/hr. I'd ask my daughter, but she just got married last fall and bought a house at the end of the year, so she has her hands pretty full right now.
 
At this point I'm just going to wait until I get something firm from Crossware and decide where to go from there.
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